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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://churchofchristblog.com/2007/10/06/the-question-is-do-we-have-a-soul/comment-page-1/#comment-12</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 01:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fertilized egg develops at ALL stages in life and only stops at death. Just because we look different at one point in life doesn&#039;t make us any less human. A zygote is a human because it contains every single DNA molecule necessary to help us develop. The zygote is infused with the soul at conception. From a molecular level we are the same now as we were when we were a zygote. 

If you claim that we are human when we have a developed brain, then who or what caused the brain to develop? Who or what caused the organs to develop? Who or what caused the molecules to divide?

The example about the car is a poor one. Why? Because you claim that a car is only a car when it&#039;s assembled. In your definition, a human is only a human if it was born. Therefore, according to your definition, it makes perfect sense to kill a baby when it hasn&#039;t been born because it does not fit your personal and relative definiton of &quot;human.&quot; The problem with this argument is it validates murder with word play. This is erronous reasoning because anyone can redefine a word and twist it to make it look good. 

You can try to convince your self that since not all the parts have been assembled that it&#039;s not a car. My response would be &quot;What if all you had was a head and torso? Would that still make you human? What if all you had was a head and an artificial lung and heart? Would that still make you human? What if you had was limited brain function and no body parts? Would you still be human? What if you lost 99% of your brain? Would you still be human? What if you had all the working body parts and not a functioning brainwave? Would you still be human? Your argument is poor because you try to draw the line to where humanity begins from a physical perspective; while neglecting holistically that a human is the sum of all parts - body and soul. The burden of proof lies with you to try to prove that humanity doesn&#039;t begin at birth. The truth is: life begins at conception and ends in death and to see otherwise is blind to the facts.

Can you honestly say that the human body stops developing at any point in life? It&#039;s a fact that there&#039;s no one in the world who can prevent their body from ever staying the same at any point in time. For you to claim that the body becomes human at birth is to be ignorant of this fact. You&#039;re merely stating that to be human is to enter life when one exits the birth canal or some other artificial method. There&#039;s no one who can suspend development at any point in life. That&#039;s why there&#039;s so many creams, pills, exercises, diets and medicines being invented to prevent the body from imminent death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fertilized egg develops at ALL stages in life and only stops at death. Just because we look different at one point in life doesn&#8217;t make us any less human. A zygote is a human because it contains every single DNA molecule necessary to help us develop. The zygote is infused with the soul at conception. From a molecular level we are the same now as we were when we were a zygote. </p>
<p>If you claim that we are human when we have a developed brain, then who or what caused the brain to develop? Who or what caused the organs to develop? Who or what caused the molecules to divide?</p>
<p>The example about the car is a poor one. Why? Because you claim that a car is only a car when it&#8217;s assembled. In your definition, a human is only a human if it was born. Therefore, according to your definition, it makes perfect sense to kill a baby when it hasn&#8217;t been born because it does not fit your personal and relative definiton of &#8220;human.&#8221; The problem with this argument is it validates murder with word play. This is erronous reasoning because anyone can redefine a word and twist it to make it look good. </p>
<p>You can try to convince your self that since not all the parts have been assembled that it&#8217;s not a car. My response would be &#8220;What if all you had was a head and torso? Would that still make you human? What if all you had was a head and an artificial lung and heart? Would that still make you human? What if you had was limited brain function and no body parts? Would you still be human? What if you lost 99% of your brain? Would you still be human? What if you had all the working body parts and not a functioning brainwave? Would you still be human? Your argument is poor because you try to draw the line to where humanity begins from a physical perspective; while neglecting holistically that a human is the sum of all parts &#8211; body and soul. The burden of proof lies with you to try to prove that humanity doesn&#8217;t begin at birth. The truth is: life begins at conception and ends in death and to see otherwise is blind to the facts.</p>
<p>Can you honestly say that the human body stops developing at any point in life? It&#8217;s a fact that there&#8217;s no one in the world who can prevent their body from ever staying the same at any point in time. For you to claim that the body becomes human at birth is to be ignorant of this fact. You&#8217;re merely stating that to be human is to enter life when one exits the birth canal or some other artificial method. There&#8217;s no one who can suspend development at any point in life. That&#8217;s why there&#8217;s so many creams, pills, exercises, diets and medicines being invented to prevent the body from imminent death.</p>
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		<title>By: WhiteRaven</title>
		<link>http://churchofchristblog.com/2007/10/06/the-question-is-do-we-have-a-soul/comment-page-1/#comment-11</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 01:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>abortion isn&#039;t legal after 2 weeks? because I&#039;m pretty sure most women don&#039;t even know that they are pregnant until then. I still don&#039;t care though.

And... I do believe all living things have souls, just less evolved souls...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abortion isn&#8217;t legal after 2 weeks? because I&#8217;m pretty sure most women don&#8217;t even know that they are pregnant until then. I still don&#8217;t care though.</p>
<p>And&#8230; I do believe all living things have souls, just less evolved souls&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: maxtheawesome</title>
		<link>http://churchofchristblog.com/2007/10/06/the-question-is-do-we-have-a-soul/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 01:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s look at the facts.

A fertilized egg developes under nine months untill the babies birht, and then from that the cells in the body degenerates, untill death.

It&#039;s not different stages of life, it&#039;s different stages towards life. If you stop building a car when you are halfway down and throws it away, would you have thrown away a car then? No.

An other thing is that it is activity in the brain that makes a human. Or something that is a counciousness. If you manage to construct a councious self aware computer it would be, maybe not a human, but a being, and pulling out the plug for ever would be killing it.

An embryo has no activity in the brain what so ever. After a coulpe a weeks, yes, but abortion isn&#039;t legal after a couple of weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s look at the facts.</p>
<p>A fertilized egg developes under nine months untill the babies birht, and then from that the cells in the body degenerates, untill death.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not different stages of life, it&#8217;s different stages towards life. If you stop building a car when you are halfway down and throws it away, would you have thrown away a car then? No.</p>
<p>An other thing is that it is activity in the brain that makes a human. Or something that is a counciousness. If you manage to construct a councious self aware computer it would be, maybe not a human, but a being, and pulling out the plug for ever would be killing it.</p>
<p>An embryo has no activity in the brain what so ever. After a coulpe a weeks, yes, but abortion isn&#8217;t legal after a couple of weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://churchofchristblog.com/2007/10/06/the-question-is-do-we-have-a-soul/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 01:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what you&#039;re arguing are semantics. You call it gradual, while others call it stages. True, you can&#039;t quite pinpoint the exact time a stage begins; except for when it begins and or ends. For example, in some cultures a girl becomes a woman when she&#039;s 16. In others, its when she first has a period. In others, it&#039;s when she turns 18 y/o. Womanhood is relative. However, we know that the zygote was the first step in the development of a human. Every thing else is just a gradual or sudden change toward death. We humans like to use markers, and a stage is just another word for marker. Call it what you want, but the initial step into human progression is the zygote. And the last step into human progression is death. Any thing else are artificial and relative place markers used to help us identify if we&#039;re talking about a child, adult, ederly, fetus, or embryo. They&#039;re all one and the same human and one and the same DNA molecule.

Let me leave you with this. Would you be alive today if your mother and father&#039;s sperm never united to form a zygote? Would you be alive today if for some reason your development was never allowed to progress? What makes you or the State so much better than a zygote, fetus or the unborn that you feel it&#039;s your right or duty take it upon your self to decide who should live or who should die?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what you&#8217;re arguing are semantics. You call it gradual, while others call it stages. True, you can&#8217;t quite pinpoint the exact time a stage begins; except for when it begins and or ends. For example, in some cultures a girl becomes a woman when she&#8217;s 16. In others, its when she first has a period. In others, it&#8217;s when she turns 18 y/o. Womanhood is relative. However, we know that the zygote was the first step in the development of a human. Every thing else is just a gradual or sudden change toward death. We humans like to use markers, and a stage is just another word for marker. Call it what you want, but the initial step into human progression is the zygote. And the last step into human progression is death. Any thing else are artificial and relative place markers used to help us identify if we&#8217;re talking about a child, adult, ederly, fetus, or embryo. They&#8217;re all one and the same human and one and the same DNA molecule.</p>
<p>Let me leave you with this. Would you be alive today if your mother and father&#8217;s sperm never united to form a zygote? Would you be alive today if for some reason your development was never allowed to progress? What makes you or the State so much better than a zygote, fetus or the unborn that you feel it&#8217;s your right or duty take it upon your self to decide who should live or who should die?</p>
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		<title>By: maxtheawesome</title>
		<link>http://churchofchristblog.com/2007/10/06/the-question-is-do-we-have-a-soul/comment-page-1/#comment-8</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 01:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What it boiles down to is this.

Life does not go through different stages, it developes gradually, and then ages, untill it dies.

If you look at what makes a human being, and then what makes a fetus, you will see that there&#039;s a significant difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What it boiles down to is this.</p>
<p>Life does not go through different stages, it developes gradually, and then ages, untill it dies.</p>
<p>If you look at what makes a human being, and then what makes a fetus, you will see that there&#8217;s a significant difference.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://churchofchristblog.com/2007/10/06/the-question-is-do-we-have-a-soul/comment-page-1/#comment-7</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 01:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me ask you if you are a tree hugger, an animal rights activist, a water lover or a lover of mother earth? Do you love or have respect for these things because of what they can offer you? If so, then not to be uncheritable because I don&#039;t mean to be, but that&#039;s pretty shallow and selfish. There will never be anything of signicant importance a zygote or the unborn can offer you while they&#039;re still in the mother&#039;s womb. There is no argument strong enough to convert you if your argument stems from selfishness. The only thing I ask is &quot;How can you respect and admire a tree or the droplets that form a river any more than a zygote - that has the potential to be a child?&quot; Who know&#039;s if this child may some day find the cure for cancer, if left alone to develop to its full potential?

Abortion activists would like to believe that they are doing the public good by simply saying that it&#039;s a woman&#039;s right to terminate the &quot;Inconvenience&quot; of having a child. Because someone is not ready to have a child for some reason or another (including rape), makes it perfectly ok to kill another human being for sake of inconvenience. I&#039;m sorry but I find it really really hard to see how any one can say they love trees any more than they can love a human being. 

Any biologist can show you a diagram of the life-cycle of a human - from conception to death. If you really think about it, we enter life at all stages. There&#039;s never a stage where we are always the same. You are not the same now as you were 10 yrs ago. Nor will you be the same now as you will be in 20 yrs. But your DNA remains the same. The same as it was when you were born. The same as it was when you were zygote (sperm and egg). A cell at conception is just another stage in life and to terminate your existence at any point in your life-cycle is an injustice and is murder. The bottom line is because it&#039;s inconvenient for a woman or a state to have a child - then it&#039;s perfectly ok to kill it. This is a grave injustice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me ask you if you are a tree hugger, an animal rights activist, a water lover or a lover of mother earth? Do you love or have respect for these things because of what they can offer you? If so, then not to be uncheritable because I don&#8217;t mean to be, but that&#8217;s pretty shallow and selfish. There will never be anything of signicant importance a zygote or the unborn can offer you while they&#8217;re still in the mother&#8217;s womb. There is no argument strong enough to convert you if your argument stems from selfishness. The only thing I ask is &#8220;How can you respect and admire a tree or the droplets that form a river any more than a zygote &#8211; that has the potential to be a child?&#8221; Who know&#8217;s if this child may some day find the cure for cancer, if left alone to develop to its full potential?</p>
<p>Abortion activists would like to believe that they are doing the public good by simply saying that it&#8217;s a woman&#8217;s right to terminate the &#8220;Inconvenience&#8221; of having a child. Because someone is not ready to have a child for some reason or another (including rape), makes it perfectly ok to kill another human being for sake of inconvenience. I&#8217;m sorry but I find it really really hard to see how any one can say they love trees any more than they can love a human being. </p>
<p>Any biologist can show you a diagram of the life-cycle of a human &#8211; from conception to death. If you really think about it, we enter life at all stages. There&#8217;s never a stage where we are always the same. You are not the same now as you were 10 yrs ago. Nor will you be the same now as you will be in 20 yrs. But your DNA remains the same. The same as it was when you were born. The same as it was when you were zygote (sperm and egg). A cell at conception is just another stage in life and to terminate your existence at any point in your life-cycle is an injustice and is murder. The bottom line is because it&#8217;s inconvenient for a woman or a state to have a child &#8211; then it&#8217;s perfectly ok to kill it. This is a grave injustice.</p>
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		<title>By: maxtheawesome</title>
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		<dc:creator>maxtheawesome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 01:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They have no developed brains and only the basics of what one one day will become organs.

No matter voice or not doesn&#039;t mean they could use it. They are merely a collection cells slowly resembling a human, but before 10 weeks they are none of that.

Prove me wrong and I shall convert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They have no developed brains and only the basics of what one one day will become organs.</p>
<p>No matter voice or not doesn&#8217;t mean they could use it. They are merely a collection cells slowly resembling a human, but before 10 weeks they are none of that.</p>
<p>Prove me wrong and I shall convert.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://churchofchristblog.com/2007/10/06/the-question-is-do-we-have-a-soul/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 01:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should ask your self what constitutes equal treatment and to what degree and WHO deserves equal treatment? Are the lame, the mentally or physically retarded, and the elderly - Do they deserve equal treatment or is it only reserved for the perfectly productive indiviuals of society? You say you deserve equal treatment, but that&#039;s because you&#039;re speaking for your self. The unborn, no matter if they have a soul or not, DOES NOT HAVE A VOICE. In other words, they cannot tell you &quot;Don&#039;t kill me!&quot; - unlike you! 

If your reason for being is to simply exist and to die, then who are you (abortionist advocates) to decide that those cells should cease to exist? Maybe it&#039;s small consolation to you, that because the unborn does not have a voice, that it makes it easier to kill them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should ask your self what constitutes equal treatment and to what degree and WHO deserves equal treatment? Are the lame, the mentally or physically retarded, and the elderly &#8211; Do they deserve equal treatment or is it only reserved for the perfectly productive indiviuals of society? You say you deserve equal treatment, but that&#8217;s because you&#8217;re speaking for your self. The unborn, no matter if they have a soul or not, DOES NOT HAVE A VOICE. In other words, they cannot tell you &#8220;Don&#8217;t kill me!&#8221; &#8211; unlike you! </p>
<p>If your reason for being is to simply exist and to die, then who are you (abortionist advocates) to decide that those cells should cease to exist? Maybe it&#8217;s small consolation to you, that because the unborn does not have a voice, that it makes it easier to kill them.</p>
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		<title>By: maxtheawesome</title>
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		<dc:creator>maxtheawesome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 01:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t belive in a immortal soul, I do, however, somehow, belive in human beings that deserves being treated with respect.

But i don&#039;t subscribe t the idea that embryos are human beings. I believe them to be a collection of molecules with the potential of one ay become a human being. I belive that life evolves gradually and do not start with fertilization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t belive in a immortal soul, I do, however, somehow, belive in human beings that deserves being treated with respect.</p>
<p>But i don&#8217;t subscribe t the idea that embryos are human beings. I believe them to be a collection of molecules with the potential of one ay become a human being. I belive that life evolves gradually and do not start with fertilization.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://churchofchristblog.com/2007/10/06/the-question-is-do-we-have-a-soul/comment-page-1/#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 01:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don&#039;t have a soul and all you are is a collection of molecules, much like a zybote or an embryo are a collection of molecules, and you say that it&#039;s ok to destroy (let&#039;s call it what it really is MURDER) a collection of cells, then it should follow that it should be perfectly ok to MURDER you. You are simply a collection of molecules too - just more complex but made of of the same DNA molecules as a zygote. That&#039;s why the FBI can trace an individual just from a single DNA. 

Abortionists and likeminded people argue that zygotes are NOT human and that they are simply a collection of cells. The fact is, you too my friend are a collection of cells! You&#039;re just more complex! What makes you any more special than a few cells if you don&#039;t have a soul?

Let us not forget that slavery advocates said the same thing about blacks. That they we&#039;re sub-human. The same thing is being said about the unborn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t have a soul and all you are is a collection of molecules, much like a zybote or an embryo are a collection of molecules, and you say that it&#8217;s ok to destroy (let&#8217;s call it what it really is MURDER) a collection of cells, then it should follow that it should be perfectly ok to MURDER you. You are simply a collection of molecules too &#8211; just more complex but made of of the same DNA molecules as a zygote. That&#8217;s why the FBI can trace an individual just from a single DNA. </p>
<p>Abortionists and likeminded people argue that zygotes are NOT human and that they are simply a collection of cells. The fact is, you too my friend are a collection of cells! You&#8217;re just more complex! What makes you any more special than a few cells if you don&#8217;t have a soul?</p>
<p>Let us not forget that slavery advocates said the same thing about blacks. That they we&#8217;re sub-human. The same thing is being said about the unborn!</p>
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